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H.B. 76 UTAH Constitutional Carry ! Support this Bill!
« on: January 24, 2013, 11:39:22 AM »
SALT LAKE CITY ? Permits wouldn't be necessary for most people to carry concealed weapons in Utah if a state lawmaker gets his way.

Rep. John Mathis, R-Vernal, is sponsoring H.B. 76, which allows essentially any law-abiding citizen over the age of 21 in the state to carry a gun, openly or concealed.

Utah would effectively become a "constitutional carry" state if the measure is approved. That term refers to a state where carrying a concealed weapon isn't restricted by law.

It's unclear whether the bill can clear the Utah Legislature. 

I wanted to pass this around to the gun Owners of Utah! I'm looking for some help to get it passed around and getting it supported. The government can't protect you. Contactact your law makers and make UTAH a Constitutional Carry State!!!!!!

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2013, 02:46:17 PM »
I just got the update that the fiscal note have been created for HB 76. I have attached the text from it below. I found it interesting that BCI makes $16 per application which would be considered lost revenue, but they do note that each excepted applicant would save $46.


Fiscal Note - State of Utah - 2013 General Session

HB0076 - Concealed Weapon Carry Amendments

State Government (UCA 36-12-13(2)(b)):
Enactment of this bill may reduce the total amount of dedicated credit and other fee revenue and associated costs for concealed weapons permits to the Department of Public Safety - Bureau of Criminal Identification program due to fewer Utah citizen applications; however the amount is unknown at this time. Total estimated fee revenue ($46/application) relating to provisions in this bill for Utah citizen applicants totaled about $932,000. Total estimated costs ($30/application) were about $602,000. To the extent that fewer Utah citizens apply for concealed weapons permits, the Department of Public Safety will have a net revenue loss of about $16 per application.

Local Governments (UCA 36-12-13(2)(c)):
Enactment of this bill likely will not result in direct, measurable costs for local governments.

Direct Expenditures by Utah Residents and Businesses (UCA 36-12-13(2)(d)):
To the extent that expected applicants no longer apply for a concealed weapons permit as a result of this bill, they will save $46 per application.


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Re: H.B. 76 UTAH Constitutional Carry ! Support this Bill!
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2013, 04:18:27 PM »
That is just funny.  Remember all the resistance to concealed weapons permits because of the additional cost it was going to place on BCI?


So, which is it, a cost or a revenue.

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 04:20:52 PM »
The point is FREEDOM, The state would still issue permits. So unknown revenue is correct. They could offset employment to compensate for the difference. Which in my mind would be correct. But being Supportive of our Guaranteed 2nd Amendment rights and standing up for those Rights is the point. Is very good reason to support this bill.  Revenue was not the purpose of the Constitution. Freedoms and Hopefully a Government that isn't ran by Tyrants and full of Corruption and Nation that can and will defend itself from EVIL was the point of the 2nd Amendment. In 1776 Independence from England was won. It's amazing how many people refer to Australia and England to support GUN Ban legislature. When it was the King and Queen this government was objectionable too. Now they claim they want Dictators and Governments that take your rights. A Government that punishes Law Abiding Citizens for the acts of Criminals. That in itself is Illegal. Yet how many times has it happened? When did it help? They take the tax payers rights and charge them with the crimes. Then the Criminals run the Neighborhoods and crimes are no longer reported. They are common place.

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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2013, 12:31:54 AM »
I think everyone in this forum would fall on the side of limited government.....


This may seem like heracy to some, but "when" this bill passes I would like to see the qualifications for a Utah Concealed permit expanded so that it would accepted by more states. It would give us the ability to carry in some of the states that do not currently have reciprocity.



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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2013, 07:00:27 AM »
Not at all racerg.  Such a compromise would reduce the amount of government I am required to partcipate in while in my home state, but would expand my rights as a citizen.


I have had similar thoughts of compromise on mandatory background checks on all gun purchases.  Fine....But we get national reciprocity on concealed carry, all items but full auto removed from the 34 NFA, and new tax stamps issued on full-auto.

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2013, 10:13:11 AM »
My understanding is it will be difficult to get passed since there is no background check. There are those that will make hay of this.
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2013, 05:05:45 PM »
That just means we have to make hay too. There is a definite push against onerous federal legislation at the state level. In a conservative state like Utah we should be able to push more pro 2nd amendment legislation through.


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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2013, 05:12:55 PM »
That just means we have to make hay too. There is a definite push against onerous federal legislation at the state level. In a conservative state like Utah we should be able to push more pro 2nd amendment legislation through.


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I hope you are correct. I will do my part as always.
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 10:42:39 PM »
Hb 76 came out of the House Judiciary Comm with a favorable recommendation.

Minutes attached below:


 Minutes
     House Judiciary Committee - 20 February 2013, 2:00 PM


H.B. 76    Concealed Weapon Carry Amendments (Rep. J. Mathis)

Rep. Mathis presented the bill to the committee.

Spoke in favor
of the bill:        Mr. Charles Hardy        Go, Utah!
            Mr. Sam Fidler        National Rifle Association
            Mr. Brent Tenney         Utah Sports Council
            Mr. Connor Boyack          Libertas Institute

Spoke in opposition
to the bill:        Ms. Jean Hill            Catholic Diocese
            Mr. Steve Gunn        Gun Violence Prevention Center
            Ms. Miriam Walkingshaw    Utah Parents Against Gun Violence

Spoke to the bill:    Ms. Monica Bollinger
            Ms. Alice Moffat, Director    Bureau of Criminal Investigation

MOTION:    Rep. Perry moved to pass the bill out favorably. The motion passed, with Rep. Arent and Rep. King voting in opposition.


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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 09:39:38 PM »
The bill passed the Senate yesterday. In its final form it basically allows for "covered" open carry.
Anywhere you were able to open carry previously you can now conceal that same unloaded firearm.
Getting your concealed carry permit allows you to carry loaded concealed and in certain areas that are restricted to open carry like school zones.

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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2013, 05:55:33 AM »
This is a good thing.   It expands rights of the people.  But it also does not do away with the permit.  People will still need the permit if they want to carry outside the state as well as in certain restricted areas.

In my opinion you run more risk without the permit.  Once this is signed I still encourage people to get their permits because of the expanded freedoms. 

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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2013, 10:47:10 AM »
Firearm must be unloaded - Reminder - the bill was amended to allow only UNLOADED firearms.

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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2013, 01:00:41 PM »
Unloaded this year.  Maybe next year they can amend it for loaded.  Little steps at a time. 

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2013, 04:19:58 PM »
Very disappointed with the governor for vetoing this....,,,